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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Nov 3, 2007 11:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Finally Getting Something From Rhino

R.I.P. Dick's Pick's Hello Road Trips.SDH Must Be In Heaven Since They Are Starting With 1979.Here's The Link To The Story
http://www.dead.net/features/release-info/come-join-us-road-trips

This post was modified by tigerbolt on 2007-11-03 18:46:39

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Nov 4, 2007 6:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finally Getting Something From Rhino

I'm fine with this idea. Although I was once a complete show kind of guy, over the years the ever-increasing demands on my time- family, career, other interests - have made it so that, no matter how much I might wish otherwise, I simply don't have the 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 hour windows necessary to listen to a complete show.

Plus, 12 years after the bus was parked for good we've reached the point where the vast majority of shows circulate in one form or another. While I was grateful for and enjoyed the DP series, selections like DP 22 with those previously unheard (to most of us) slices of early '68 were definately the exception rather than the rule. Sure, there are probably a few "undiscovered" gems still sitting out there, but I'm betting its not more than a handful, relatively speaking. More often, the Picks essentially served as a (sometimes substantial) sonic upgrade to what was already available. My perception- and I have no idea if the sales figures bare this out - was that over time the enthusiasm for the one-show-at-a-time approach dwindled (i.e., "My board of this show sounds pretty darn good, and I've listened to it countless times...do I really want to part with $25 for another copy?").

After being substantially disappointed over what I saw as a very tepid and uninspired initial release (Three from the Vault), I have to say I find myself encouraged by this new direction. It may not delve as deep, but it covers a LOT more ground. Fall '79 has long been criminally under-represented in the cannon of offcial releases and seems like an excellent way to start.

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Poster: orangejulius Date: Nov 4, 2007 8:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finally Getting Something From Rhino

The compilation idea is not anything new to GD official releases. How many people probably complained when Without a Net or Dozin' at the Knick were released, crying for a complete show from the Spring '90 tour? And wouldn't most of us have preferred an England '72 box set instead of Steppin' Out, or a Fillmore East '71 box set instead of Ladies & Gents? Of course, we would have; but the fact is that selling music is a business and for an act with such a loyal, long-standing, and widely-diverse fan-base, not every production choice will suit the collector. Let's face it: most people on this site are serious collectors, but most GD fans are not. If we want the Dead to continue to turn out releases, even well past the lifetime of any and all remaining members (and even original fans), then we need to be understanding of the business side of all of this.

If they (GD, Rhino, etc) only pander to a select group of their fanbase, sales will be low and new fans (customers) will not be made. However, they don't want to alienate the portion of their fan (customer) base which will allow them to put out expensive, rewarding releases in the future (i.e. us, the serious completists). The band is obviously proud of what they accomplished and no doubt want to share it with us over time; but is needs to be profitable, so that they can continue to do so. That Fillmore West '69 package is evident of that notion (amazing packaging, liner notes, limited release).

So, just like a Dead show itself, you need to take the good with the bad. Nobody says you have to buy every release; there are different sections of their customer base which will do that. I'm sure GD/Rhino marketing specialists understand that. They're not expecting completist to buy this release, unless some of it isn't in circulation anywhere else. However, they have promised on the website that more full-releases and box sets are in the works and I, for one, am enthused at the "tidal wave" of releases promised, regardless of what they are. I will obviously pass on some, but will be grateful for the ones that satify my desires.

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Nov 4, 2007 8:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finally Getting Something From Rhino

skuzzlebutt,

agree 100%, and agree with Lou as well.

a good start imo, as I still have over 100 complete shows that I haven't even gotten to yet. also a good plan for the newer fans imo. I'm on board for now.

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Poster: caspersvapors Date: Nov 3, 2007 7:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finally Getting Something From Rhino

intriguing idea, hmm ill buy this one and see how i like it

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Poster: stilldead77 Date: Nov 3, 2007 12:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finally Getting Something From Rhino

So, who's gonna buy this one?

I'll jump on later, perhaps.

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Nov 3, 2007 2:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finally Getting Something From Rhino

if they do a 68 road trips, i will be forced to buy one.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 3, 2007 3:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finally Getting Something From Rhino

Outstanding idea!

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Nov 3, 2007 4:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finally Getting Something From Rhino

thats an interesting approach. I hope they release these with some consistent frequency as well as release full shows. Fall of 79 seems like a good place to start.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Nov 3, 2007 6:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finally Getting Something From Rhino

Thanks for the heads up!! Haven't checked that site in awhile.

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Poster: Toadsmoker Date: Nov 3, 2007 11:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finally Getting Something From Rhino

Apparently, these are the hightlight show of '79

http://www.archive.org/details/gd79-10-31.sbd.miller.29410.sbeok.flacf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd79-11-06.sbd.clugston.2417.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd79-11-08.sbd.litfin.18126.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd79-02-17.sbd.kempka.313.sbefail.shnf

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Nov 3, 2007 12:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finally Getting Something From Rhino

i hate it, i'm a complete show kind of guy. i'll be sticking to complete shows, warts and all.

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Poster: mike65! Date: Nov 3, 2007 12:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finally Getting Something From Rhino

Sleazy! Why is this better than Dick's Picks?? Seems like this is a possible reason why the Taper's Section stopped allowing downloading of the mp3's. It's because they are now packaging these for retail sale. I'll stick with full shows also.
By the way, this'll be an easy way for Rhino to "clean out" what's available on this forum. Five-six shows gone from the archive with every release. Smooth move, guys !!!!!

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Nov 3, 2007 6:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finally Getting Something From Rhino

Rhino is just part of the Warner Bros music division. This is the corporate Amerika mentality, trying to repackage your Grateful Dead archives just like they do with every other artist in existence. Anybody can throw his own greatest hits albums together using a computer these days.

What the hell did you expect from these industry beauracrats in Smell A any way?





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Poster: fireeagle Date: Nov 3, 2007 2:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finally Getting Something From Rhino

exactly what i expected. compilation and more compilations coming

i´m a completist, aint buying that one

i might consider paying them for the show that i already have if the sound quality offered is something exceptional though

1 example: i´d love to pay 100$ (better less) for 8 cds pyramids box set, w/ reprints of 2 original posters and a nice fat booklet included. the sound quality must be of course much higher than that on available auds and cm boards. best to be remastered combining aud and sbd sources, all in glorious, stellar hdcd format. although i got them all already, both auds and sbds, i´d be extremely happy to buy it

but a compilation? no thank you



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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Nov 3, 2007 4:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finally Getting Something From Rhino

they want and need a new fanbase, i get it. that's cool, just keep those dicks picks in production, because i don't have the ones i want yet, and if they quit making them, dickheads will sell them on e bay for too much money.

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Poster: fireeagle Date: Nov 3, 2007 5:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finally Getting Something From Rhino

they are moving in the wrong direction. this is one way street. they should stick with the old fan base and try to use brains (if any) and be more creative. there are countless possibilities. new fans will come, eventually

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 3, 2007 12:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finally Getting Something From Rhino

Thanks--interesting change. Especially now that I am a full convert to "full shows"...but, it's a start!

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Nov 4, 2007 7:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Did Bill and Mickey piss someone off?

Cross-referencing the setlists for Fall 1979 shows in the archive with track/date list of the RT 1/1:

http://www.dead.net/road-trips/road-trips-volume-1-number-1

...I see that between the two discs and the bonus disc, they've included all of the 11/8 and 11/9 second-set jams while cutting out the drums in the middle. Is this a grand anti-percussion conspiracy???

And thinking more about the Road Trips concept, some pros:

1) More second-set stuff relative to first set
2) Discs packed with >75 min of material each
3) SBDs of complete shows are still in the archive and will presumably still be torrented and traded, as England 72 shows are even though they're selected from on Stepping Out.

Also, I wonder if there are any reel-flip gaps or degradation of sound quality in some tracks through the ravages of time, that would make the boys unwilling to release any of these shows in toto.

This post was modified by Lou Davenport on 2007-11-04 15:13:08

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Poster: Toadsmoker Date: Nov 4, 2007 7:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did Bill and Mickey piss someone off?

check this shit out Lou >
http://www.dead.net/sites/deadbeta.rhino.com/files/images/deadfreaksposter_0.jpg

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Nov 4, 2007 7:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did Bill and Mickey piss someone off?

I wonder if they've sold even ten yet.

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Poster: Toadsmoker Date: Nov 4, 2007 7:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did Bill and Mickey piss someone off?

I'm thinking of buying 12 for the Holidays

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Nov 4, 2007 7:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did Bill and Mickey piss someone off?

Ah yes, on the 12th day of Christmas, my true love gave to me 12 visual tributes to a for-profit website at an artificial, rarity-inflated price. I'll take maids a milking any day.

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Poster: Toadsmoker Date: Nov 4, 2007 8:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did Bill and Mickey piss someone off?

I like the Maids-a-milking, breakout the Corn Flakes.

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Poster: mike65! Date: Nov 4, 2007 7:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did Bill and Mickey piss someone off?

What a stupid looking poster. It looks like Dead.net was doing some target practice with the Skull 'N Roses. Hmmm...

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Poster: yellowbear Date: Nov 4, 2007 1:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finally Getting Something From Rhino


Compilations = Some Happy Heads = Some Money for Rhino

Full Shows = Happy Heads = Money for Rhino

Full 2-3 day runs = Very Happy Heads = Even More Money for Rhino

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Nov 4, 2007 6:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Finally Getting Something From Rhino

My guess (based on long mulling over of what they have and have not released over the years) is that someone in the GD family is really particular about not uneven patches in releases, even if they're surrounded by a lot of good music-making. While I don't mind the occasional rough bit, I can see where they'd be coming from.

The boys were exploratory and so only really tight and interesting some of the time. We're used to taking the wheat with the chaff, but other segments of the music-buying public would listen to some of the stuff that we endure and ask, "What is that sh*t?" The Road Trip concept allows them to release the best parts of shows that presumably have iffy parts too.

Anyway, what a HUGE relief to have more material coming out, and the promise of still more on the way. I'm not likely to perform an oral examination of this particular gratuitous equine.

Oooh, 68 road trip...ungungungung!